I snipped a part of a previous post:
Ravenhaus clan didn't react very gracefully to these
> attacks (though
> I can hardly blame them) and apparently got
> themselves banished from
> this list as a result.
Could someone respond to the part that says "apparently got
themselves banned from this list"?
Is this inflamatory statement fact or fiction? I do know that Steve
reclused himself from the group at times. I supported him through
private e-mails.
At present, I sense a nasty round of that childhood
game, "Telephone" is occuring. ((whisper)) I heard that he did THIS"
((whisper))Oh how the story grows and changes with each added comment.
Just a friendly reminder: letterboxing= a healthy fun accepting
hobby where you sometimes get to meet awesome poeple and definately
get to view lots of creative material (visual and written, i.e. clues
and stamp images)
Re. L.B. World
8 messages in this thread |
Started on 2004-09-24
Re. L.B. World
From: rospa10 (wilmes2@mindspring.com) |
Date: 2004-09-24 23:09:44 UTC
Re: Re. L.B. World
From: Der Mad Stamper (Letterboxr@aol.com) |
Date: 2004-09-24 23:18:59 UTC
I spoke with Steve in person about it. He told me that he has been
banned from this list, and then shortly afterward was also banned
from the LbPNW list.
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "rospa10" wrote:
> I snipped a part of a previous post:
>
> Ravenhaus clan didn't react very gracefully to these
> > attacks (though
> > I can hardly blame them) and apparently got
> > themselves banished from
> > this list as a result.
> Could someone respond to the part that says "apparently got
> themselves banned from this list"?
> Is this inflamatory statement fact or fiction? I do know that
Steve
> reclused himself from the group at times. I supported him through
> private e-mails.
> At present, I sense a nasty round of that childhood
> game, "Telephone" is occuring. ((whisper)) I heard that he did
THIS"
> ((whisper))Oh how the story grows and changes with each added
comment.
> Just a friendly reminder: letterboxing= a healthy fun accepting
> hobby where you sometimes get to meet awesome poeple and definately
> get to view lots of creative material (visual and written, i.e.
clues
> and stamp images)
banned from this list, and then shortly afterward was also banned
from the LbPNW list.
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "rospa10"
> I snipped a part of a previous post:
>
> Ravenhaus clan didn't react very gracefully to these
> > attacks (though
> > I can hardly blame them) and apparently got
> > themselves banished from
> > this list as a result.
> Could someone respond to the part that says "apparently got
> themselves banned from this list"?
> Is this inflamatory statement fact or fiction? I do know that
Steve
> reclused himself from the group at times. I supported him through
> private e-mails.
> At present, I sense a nasty round of that childhood
> game, "Telephone" is occuring. ((whisper)) I heard that he did
THIS"
> ((whisper))Oh how the story grows and changes with each added
comment.
> Just a friendly reminder: letterboxing= a healthy fun accepting
> hobby where you sometimes get to meet awesome poeple and definately
> get to view lots of creative material (visual and written, i.e.
clues
> and stamp images)
Re: Re. L.B. World
From: aine_42 (aine_42@yahoo.com) |
Date: 2004-09-24 23:34:07 UTC
And I can speak to this as one of the moderators here. The Rayvenhauses did not
get banned from this list, though Steve was under moderation status at the end of
his time here. They both chose to unsubscribe.
I cannot speak for the LbPNW list, as I do not know the situation there.
As for speculation as to whether or not a member of this community is
responsible for the problems with LBWorld, unless you have direct proof to
back up the accusations, let's give it a rest. Unfounded accusations serve
no one's best interest.
There's room enough for everyone's site. And while I personally don't spend
much time on LBWorld, I wish them all the luck in getting everything back
up and running. I would hope everyone here feels similarly.
Czeltic Girl
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Der Mad Stamper" wrote:
> I spoke with Steve in person about it. He told me that he has been
> banned from this list, and then shortly afterward was also banned
> from the LbPNW list.
>
> --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "rospa10" wrote:
> > I snipped a part of a previous post:
> >
> > Ravenhaus clan didn't react very gracefully to these
> > > attacks (though
> > > I can hardly blame them) and apparently got
> > > themselves banished from
> > > this list as a result.
> > Could someone respond to the part that says "apparently got
> > themselves banned from this list"?
get banned from this list, though Steve was under moderation status at the end of
his time here. They both chose to unsubscribe.
I cannot speak for the LbPNW list, as I do not know the situation there.
As for speculation as to whether or not a member of this community is
responsible for the problems with LBWorld, unless you have direct proof to
back up the accusations, let's give it a rest. Unfounded accusations serve
no one's best interest.
There's room enough for everyone's site. And while I personally don't spend
much time on LBWorld, I wish them all the luck in getting everything back
up and running. I would hope everyone here feels similarly.
Czeltic Girl
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Der Mad Stamper"
> I spoke with Steve in person about it. He told me that he has been
> banned from this list, and then shortly afterward was also banned
> from the LbPNW list.
>
> --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "rospa10"
> > I snipped a part of a previous post:
> >
> > Ravenhaus clan didn't react very gracefully to these
> > > attacks (though
> > > I can hardly blame them) and apparently got
> > > themselves banished from
> > > this list as a result.
> > Could someone respond to the part that says "apparently got
> > themselves banned from this list"?
Re: Re. L.B. World
From: Der Mad Stamper (Letterboxr@aol.com) |
Date: 2004-09-24 23:55:07 UTC
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "aine_42" wrote:
> And I can speak to this as one of the moderators here. The
Rayvenhauses did not
> get banned from this list, though Steve was under moderation status
at the end of
> his time here. They both chose to unsubscribe.
Point taken. Thanks for the clarification. But to me, it kinda
seems like splitting hairs to differentiate between moderating his
messages in order to reject them all, and banning them altogether.
Seems like it would have been better to just make sure the LbNA site
was better than his, rather than to moderate him and ban any messages
that mentioned his site.
> And I can speak to this as one of the moderators here. The
Rayvenhauses did not
> get banned from this list, though Steve was under moderation status
at the end of
> his time here. They both chose to unsubscribe.
Point taken. Thanks for the clarification. But to me, it kinda
seems like splitting hairs to differentiate between moderating his
messages in order to reject them all, and banning them altogether.
Seems like it would have been better to just make sure the LbNA site
was better than his, rather than to moderate him and ban any messages
that mentioned his site.
Re: Re. L.B. World
From: rscarpen (letterboxing@atlasquest.com) |
Date: 2004-09-25 00:16:23 UTC
> He told me that he has been banned from this list, and then shortly
> afterward was also banned from the LbPNW list.
Steve had been on moderated status on the LbPNW list, though I had
lifted it before he unsubscribed from all the talk lists.
It was only a couple of weeks ago he tried to resubscribe to the
Pacific Northwest board, which left me in somewhat of a dilemna. In
all honesty, I liked the board much better when I knew I wouldn't
have to read his posts on it. But in all fairness, what to do?
Steve has been very divisive in the letterboxing world, which I don't
really like. Differences of opinions are one thing, but he seems
really big on splitting letterboxing into two competing groups which
just runs me the raw way.
I've deliberately stayed away from Steve's website to give him space
free from me. He seemed happy over there, and I liked it that way.
Let him have his space, and let me have mine.
It might be selfish, I suppose, but I know darned well if he joined
the Pacific Northwest board again, it would only be a matter of time
before we butted heads again which wouldn't make the board fun for
*anyone*. Under the protective flag that Steve had his own soapbox
with lots of friends and supporters to discuss all things
letterboxing, and after several days of debating the issue with
myself, I finally told him no, I'd rather him not come back.
I didn't actually outright ban him from the Pacific Northwest board,
however. I just didn't allow him to post to the board. Last I knew,
he's still a member and can read all the messages unless he chose to
quit himself.
While I think hacking his site was a dispictable act--both because it
is an unethical, vile thing to do, but also because it gives him more
sympathy than I think he deserves. He posts about somebody taking
advantage of a security hole on September 19th when the security
issue was published online on the 16th. Why did he leave his site
vunerable to serious, crippling attacks for three precious days?
What happened to his backups so he wouldn't have to recreate the site
from scratch again?
It may not be politically correct to tell a victim of a home robbery
that it was stupid of them to leave their front door unlocked, but my
sympathy only goes so far. But then to allow it to happen a SECOND
time?!
I hope they catch perp who did this, but I have a really difficult
time feeling much sympathy for the data that was lost. Once, shame
on you. Twice, shame on me.
I hope he gets his site back up soon so this thread will die.
-- Ryan
> afterward was also banned from the LbPNW list.
Steve had been on moderated status on the LbPNW list, though I had
lifted it before he unsubscribed from all the talk lists.
It was only a couple of weeks ago he tried to resubscribe to the
Pacific Northwest board, which left me in somewhat of a dilemna. In
all honesty, I liked the board much better when I knew I wouldn't
have to read his posts on it. But in all fairness, what to do?
Steve has been very divisive in the letterboxing world, which I don't
really like. Differences of opinions are one thing, but he seems
really big on splitting letterboxing into two competing groups which
just runs me the raw way.
I've deliberately stayed away from Steve's website to give him space
free from me. He seemed happy over there, and I liked it that way.
Let him have his space, and let me have mine.
It might be selfish, I suppose, but I know darned well if he joined
the Pacific Northwest board again, it would only be a matter of time
before we butted heads again which wouldn't make the board fun for
*anyone*. Under the protective flag that Steve had his own soapbox
with lots of friends and supporters to discuss all things
letterboxing, and after several days of debating the issue with
myself, I finally told him no, I'd rather him not come back.
I didn't actually outright ban him from the Pacific Northwest board,
however. I just didn't allow him to post to the board. Last I knew,
he's still a member and can read all the messages unless he chose to
quit himself.
While I think hacking his site was a dispictable act--both because it
is an unethical, vile thing to do, but also because it gives him more
sympathy than I think he deserves. He posts about somebody taking
advantage of a security hole on September 19th when the security
issue was published online on the 16th. Why did he leave his site
vunerable to serious, crippling attacks for three precious days?
What happened to his backups so he wouldn't have to recreate the site
from scratch again?
It may not be politically correct to tell a victim of a home robbery
that it was stupid of them to leave their front door unlocked, but my
sympathy only goes so far. But then to allow it to happen a SECOND
time?!
I hope they catch perp who did this, but I have a really difficult
time feeling much sympathy for the data that was lost. Once, shame
on you. Twice, shame on me.
I hope he gets his site back up soon so this thread will die.
-- Ryan
Re: Re. L.B. World
From: rscarpen (letterboxing@atlasquest.com) |
Date: 2004-09-25 00:20:32 UTC
> Seems like it would have been better to just make sure the LbNA
> site was better than his, rather than to moderate him and ban any
> messages that mentioned his site.
His messages were moderated for more than just mentioning his website
excessively. I started moderating him on the Pacific Northwest board
for excessive cross-posting--even AFTER I e-mailed him privately
asking him to stop.
-- Ryan
> site was better than his, rather than to moderate him and ban any
> messages that mentioned his site.
His messages were moderated for more than just mentioning his website
excessively. I started moderating him on the Pacific Northwest board
for excessive cross-posting--even AFTER I e-mailed him privately
asking him to stop.
-- Ryan
Re: Re. L.B. World
From: Der Mad Stamper (Letterboxr@aol.com) |
Date: 2004-09-25 04:28:07 UTC
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "rscarpen"
wrote:
> His messages were moderated for more than just mentioning his
website
> excessively. I started moderating him on the Pacific Northwest
board
> for excessive cross-posting--even AFTER I e-mailed him privately
> asking him to stop.
>
> -- Ryan
Yeah, I guess cross-posting and mentioning one's own letterboxing
website repeatedly are definite no-no's....
HMMMM....
--- In LbPNW@yahoogroups.com, "rscarpen" wrote:
> I usually try to discourage cross posting, but since this is for a
> good cause (not even my own!), I'm making an exception. =)
>
> ****
>
> Hey, ya'll! =)
>
> The latest and greatest adventure is ready for your consumption at
> http://www.atlasquest.com/adventures/vol51/
>
> In other news, today--yes, today!--is the last day of the Hike-A-
Thon,
> and I managed to log 106.5 miles....
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "rscarpen"
wrote:
> Hey, ya'll! =)
>
> The latest and greatest adventure is ready for your consumption at
> http://www.atlasquest.com/adventures/vol51/
>
> In other news, today--yes, today!--is the last day of the Hike-A-
Thon,
> and I managed to log 106.5 miles. Thanks so much to all of you who
> have pledged for it. You guys have managed to raise over $500!
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "rscarpen"
wrote:
> It seems a few people out there were surprised to learn that once
> again I have started writing more of my Great Adventures. I didn't
> post about them here since it didn't have to do with the
Appalachian
> Trail or letterboxing in any way, but for those of you who want to
> read it, you can find the last counple of adventures at
> http://www.atlasquest.com/adventures/
>
wrote:
> His messages were moderated for more than just mentioning his
website
> excessively. I started moderating him on the Pacific Northwest
board
> for excessive cross-posting--even AFTER I e-mailed him privately
> asking him to stop.
>
> -- Ryan
Yeah, I guess cross-posting and mentioning one's own letterboxing
website repeatedly are definite no-no's....
HMMMM....
--- In LbPNW@yahoogroups.com, "rscarpen"
> I usually try to discourage cross posting, but since this is for a
> good cause (not even my own!), I'm making an exception. =)
>
> ****
>
> Hey, ya'll! =)
>
> The latest and greatest adventure is ready for your consumption at
> http://www.atlasquest.com/adventures/vol51/
>
> In other news, today--yes, today!--is the last day of the Hike-A-
Thon,
> and I managed to log 106.5 miles....
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "rscarpen"
wrote:
> Hey, ya'll! =)
>
> The latest and greatest adventure is ready for your consumption at
> http://www.atlasquest.com/adventures/vol51/
>
> In other news, today--yes, today!--is the last day of the Hike-A-
Thon,
> and I managed to log 106.5 miles. Thanks so much to all of you who
> have pledged for it. You guys have managed to raise over $500!
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "rscarpen"
wrote:
> It seems a few people out there were surprised to learn that once
> again I have started writing more of my Great Adventures. I didn't
> post about them here since it didn't have to do with the
Appalachian
> Trail or letterboxing in any way, but for those of you who want to
> read it, you can find the last counple of adventures at
> http://www.atlasquest.com/adventures/
>
Re: Re. L.B. World
From: Jayme (paulandjayme.duggan@verizon.net) |
Date: 2004-09-27 03:01:15 UTC
A lot of people cross post but what is the big deal. If I see it on
more than one site, I don't read it the second time. Is that a
reason to moderate a person's post? If so, there must be a lot of
people being moderated.
Jayme
> His messages were moderated for more than just mentioning his
website
> excessively. I started moderating him on the Pacific Northwest
board
> for excessive cross-posting--even AFTER I e-mailed him privately
> asking him to stop.
>
> -- Ryan
more than one site, I don't read it the second time. Is that a
reason to moderate a person's post? If so, there must be a lot of
people being moderated.
Jayme
> His messages were moderated for more than just mentioning his
website
> excessively. I started moderating him on the Pacific Northwest
board
> for excessive cross-posting--even AFTER I e-mailed him privately
> asking him to stop.
>
> -- Ryan